Statement of Al Bielek's Producer, Mr. Michael Houtzager

by Gerold Schelm and Fred Houpt

"Don't let Al have the final say on what you believe" - Michael Houtzager

Since July 2003, we we have been waiting for Michael Houtzager's statement or response that he more or less promised would appear somewhere at the end of August. As you know, August went by and so did September, October and November. Nothing showed up on http://www.bielek.com/ until a few days ago. Finally Michael Houtzager provides surprising insight into his personal and business relationship with Al Bielek. Mr. Bielek has not contacted any of us or written directly into our web site message board to respond in any way to what we presented on our site, bielek-debunked.com. And we must admit, we expected no less from the beginning.

Houtzager, on the other hand, spent some time with checking out our information and obviously was able to achieve a more discriminating point of view concerning Bielek's claims.

Below you will find the original text of Mr. Houtzager's statement seen recently on his web site. We have added some remarks in between. The reaction of Michael Houtzager basically gives powerful support to our report and leads us to believe that our assessment has been correct. It seems to us that it is now even more possible that Bielek groupies that cling to emotional or irrational ideas that somehow Bielek had to be telling the truth will be presented an even stronger reality check. What remains clear from our work is that it is not just us who feel this way but many more people in the UFO and PX community are now distancing themselves from any support of Bielek's stories. It is still possible for some die-hard fans to change their minds, after they have read our complete report.

Al Bielek Debunked?

Comments from Michael Houtzager, Producer and Interviewer of the Al Bielek Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk CD set.

I seem to have been placed in the odd position of determining if Al Bielek's story is either true or false. Let me state early on that honestly, I don't know. My job was to provide a comprehensive interview of Al Bielek. The goal of the project was not to prove or disprove any of his claims.

GS:
This is the same story as with all of Al Bielek's appearances on various radio shows like Art Bell's or George Noory's 'C2C'. None of them ever made the slightest attempt to critically ask Al Bielek for evidence or anything supporting his weird claims. They all were just happy to 'sell' a good story which offered them good ratings for their show. Houtzager approached this project from a salesmans point of view: 'Here's somebody with a good story and people will love to buy his CD's and videos'. I can understand that up to some degree, but on the other hand, Mr. Houtzager, you multiplied the propagation of unfiltered, uncommented and unproved claims which were taken as true fact by many of your customers.

FH:
Well, at least he's honest. He did not start out, like we did, to determine whether Bielek was telling the truth about the Philadelphia Experiment. Our goal was to scrutinize and examine his claims and try to support or refute the claims. Our research took us to many sources including universities in the USA and Scotland.

As I reflect on this project, which happened around 3 years ago, I realize I may have been in error in my approach. Many of Al's claims are quite extraordinary. I am sure many people who bought the CD are perhaps quite troubled by the information provided. So maybe now, I can provide my own reflections on that experience 3 years ago and what has happened since then.

GS:
Late insight, but late is never too late.

FH:
Exactly. It seems as though Michael got it from both sides and had little choice but to reach this point. He saw the strength of our research and he saw how odd and bizarre Bielek turned out to be.

The bottom line is we are all seekers of the truth. I learned that those individuals who bought the CD are people who have looked around the world and said "something is just not right". In their search for the truth, they came across this web site which seemed to offer some viable alternative explanations to the strange reality we live in. Given Al's powerful presentation style, one can easily believe his story. I know I did.

GS:
As a 'truthseeker', why didn't you ever try to verify Bielek's claims? Why did we have to launch bielek-debunked.com? You gave the answer yourself: "Given Al's powerful presentation style, one can easily believe his story. I know I did." That's all about Bielek: He's a gifted speaker. Take that away and nothing is left except a pile of lies.

FH:
It's true: Bielek is a superb and often mesmerizing speaker. In fact we have audio tapes of Bielek's speeches from before he became a PX spokesmen. He was a gifted speaker many years ago and is obviously a well educated man who is comfortable discussing scientific material. He is also a gifted weaver of tall tales. Why no one decided to come forward with a strong challenge until Barnes and then our joint report is strange. Readers will be interested to know that we have been told by Stanton Freidman, PhD. that he tried to confirm Bielek's stories in the past and gave up after he reached similar conclusions to our report. Although he did not challenge Bielek in as direct manner as we did, he still took some time to examine the material.


How I decided to do this project

For many years, my friends told me I had a good "voice" and a natural interviewing ability. At the time, I was recording Art Bell programs and listening to them in the car as I drove back and forth to work. Art Bell opened my mind to the possibilities of Aliens, Government Conspiracies, and yes - Al Bielek. I remember hearing Al being interviewed by Art Bell and being "blown away" by his presentation.
Somewhere around June 2000, I received a flier in the mail announcing that the 2000 Preparedness Expo would be held in Atlanta GA. I didn't have anything to do that weekend, so I attended.
I had already heard Al Bielek on the Art Bell show, so I thought I would take in one of his seminars. As I listened to his presentation, I observed his audience. No one fell asleep and everyone was memorized - including myself!
After listening to Al speak for 2 hours, I signed up for his second 2 hour presentation. After 4 hours of Al Bielek, I felt he had only touched the surface of the information he had. Then I made the decision that I would approach him to conduct a series of interviews. Sounded like a good place to start my new venture.
Al agreed to do the interviews and we both agreed to share the revenue from whatever we produced. This began a 3 month process of meeting with Al around 3 times a week to conduct a series of interviews.


The Interviews

I
arranged for Al to come to my office for the interviews. Using professional recording gear, we sat down and engaged in an "Art Bell" like interview. After each session was over, I would listen to the interview and prepare my notes for the next interview. It took a while to develop an understanding of the material, but once I did I was able to take Al deeper into his material than I think anyone ever did.
I was amazed at the ease that Al spoke about Aliens, Time Travel, Mind Control and other bizarre topics. He had such confidence in his statements. When he spoke about these subjects, he would would look at you in a manner that was almost intimidating. To him, his words were the gospel and there was no room for error. I told my friends that he had the demeanor of a three star general.
Many times after my interviews, I would leave the office and check my rear view mirror to see if anyone was following me. I started to become paranoid. I felt if this information was true, then surely I would be stopped from publishing it. Despite all my fears, I don't think I was ever followed in my car or certainly never threatened to stop publishing the CD.
About half way through my interviews with Al, I determined that our best course of action was to find others who could corroborate his story. It was just too amazing. That's when he gave me the names of Larry James, Duncan Cameron, Stewart Swerdlow, and Preston Nichols.

GS:
Sure Bielek gave those names to Houtzager: Bielek knew Nichols as from the early 80ties at the United States Psychotronics Association (USPA) and certainly, Cameron, Swerdlow and James joined shortly after that. All those fellows easily could support Bielek's story, because they had been the co-creators of what Bielek later presented as their 'spokesmen' to the gullible audiences. Remember, the late 80ties / early 90ties were the time of the X-Files series and people were hungry for stories about secret government projects, aliens and cover-up stories. This was the ideal time for Bielek to step to the microphone during the famous MUFON conference of 1990 and begin his play.

FH:
Sure, name dropping has the impact of sounding important on the surface. It is a type of strength by association. However, even when people are named a good researcher will not be thrown off but will absorb this material as just another point to be inspected. In fact one of the biggest blunders or outright lies we caught Bielek in was in name dropping. One quite famous, Dr. John von Neumann and the other a fictitious character, Dr. Kurtenhauer (many spellings appear). His take on von Neumann, a well known scientist who among many highlights, worked on the Manhattan Project, was that he did not die when we were all told he died. He lived on in someone else's body or else it's his own body but somehow tampered with. He also said with a straight face, many times, that the Serbian genius, Nikola Tesla, also did not die when we were told he did and was seen alive many years later. The utter nonsense of these claims borders on having psychotic delusions. But, more on that later. His take on the so called Kurtenhauer is even more impossible to understand. Many people already familiar with PX lore knew of a fictional account of the PX (see our report) in which a fictional scientist, a Dr. Kurtenhauer, appears. Bielek insists that he was the real man even though the authors of the novel creating him out of "Thin Air". Almost no one took the time to connect the dots and say out loud to him that it was just silly and made up and please stop pulling our legs. Barnes was the first to do a comprehensive look at Bielek and at that time these points started to be written down and related back to the UFO/PX community. Our joint report is a spin off of that original work.

It was quite difficult to get any of these people to agree to do an interview. When asking all of these people if they every remember working with Al at Montauk - the only one who did was Larry James. But Larry said he worked as the Montauk Time Chair operator as a different person. When Montauk was invaded he used the chair to perform a "soul transfer" to another body in the past.
If you listen to Larry's interviews carefully, you will find that he differed with Al quite a bit on Al's time travel experiences at Montauk.
My interview with Preston was quite difficult. He was evasive and elusive. I had a very difficult time pinning him down on specific answers to help corroborate Al's story.

My interview with Duncan was even more difficult. Duncan "danced" around all of my questions with frivolous answers. It appeared he just didn't want to talk about Montauk and only spoke to me after my persistent phone calls. In the end, he really didn't provide any meaningful information.
Speaking with Steward Swerdlow was quite interesting. He never met with Al, but said he knew of Al at Montauk. Close - but not close enough. I found Steward to be quite articulate and honest with his answers - he seemed to have nothing to hide.
So after 24 hours of interviews and no concrete evidence, I decided to publish the CD. I had quite a lot of time and money in the project and needed to get something back.

GS:
'...interviews and no concrete evidence.' This is exactly the worst that could happen! Houtzager's decision to produce the CD's was based only on his personal judgement or impression about the credibility of the men he had interviewed.

FH:
He also saw an opportunity to make some money. Good for him. Trouble is, now he realizes he was selling fertilizer.

Perhaps my interviews gave the debunkers materials they never had before. Upon reflection, that's good. If our common goal is the "truth", then Al should be subject to scrutiny.

GS:
No, all the claims and details that we proved to be untrue stem from transcripts of official interviews which were conducted by magazines and radio shows. And yes, Al Bielek and his companions are still subject to scrutiny. I wonder, why Mr. Houtzager didn't decide that way already years ago ?

FH:
That's true. The material we found, so much of it was on the net in archives. All people had to do was treat Bielek seriously, look for what exactly he said and then try and figure out if it was true. The measure for truth in this search was verifiable evidence to back up the claims. In all cases we found that he made things up either out of whole cloth or else borrowed from known stories from the past. The mixed up material sounded good on the surface but fell apart under the microscope.


Reflections of speaking to Al Bielek and some odd behavior

The more I worked with Al, the more my heart went out to the man. He would drive to my office in a 10 year old car which would break down constantly. Many times I would look through my window after Al left and saw him working on the car so he could get it started to go home.
I would always buy him lunch/dinner whenever he came by. If there was any food in the kitchen in our office - he would eat right through it! He didn't seem to have a penny to his name. When the History Channel did a television interview with him, I negotiated a sum of money for him and bought him new clothes for the recording.
After spending some time with the man, I had a mental inventory of many of his answers. Many times when I would ask a question, I would get the same exact response to a different question. It was like he had an inventory of programmed answers and his mind would pick the closest response to give as an answer. What was strange was that his similar responses were almost identical word-for-word even though they were given to me weeks apart.
I also noted that he had a deep hatred for his Bielek father and a deep love for his supposed Cameron father. He hated his childhood and still to this day does not like being a Bielek. Could he have possibly fabricated this story as a way to justify his unhappy life? That's for you to decide.

Part II