Bielek's Advocates: More odd People

by Gerold Schelm

In early February, we received a message from Michael Relfe in which he responds to the statement of Michael Houtzager, producer of Al Bielek's web presence and owner of the web site www.bielek.com. Michael Relfe together with his wife Stephanie own several web sites in the USA and Australia, dealing with various subjects such as electronic healing devices, spiritual books, colloidal silver and more, similar in content to Ken Adachi's web site. I will come back to their web sites (in fact they are e-commerce portals) later on this web page.

In the above mentioned message, Relfe told us his point of view about the split-up between Bielek and Houtzager, referring to Houtzager's statement which can be found on Houtzager's web site. We put it on a web page here as well. For comparison, you will find the corresponding parts of both statements marked in the same color.


Excerpts of Michael Houtzager's statement

After listening to Al speak for 2 hours, I signed up for his second 2 hour presentation. After 4 hours of Al Bielek, I felt he had only touched the surface of the information he had. Then I made the decision that I would approach him to conduct a series of interviews. Sounded like a good place to start my new venture.

Al agreed to do the interviews and we both agreed to share the revenue from whatever we produced. This began a 3 month process of meeting with Al around 3 times a week to conduct a series of interviews.

The Interviews
I arranged for Al to come to my office for the interviews. Using professional recording gear, we sat down and engaged in an "Art Bell" like interview. After each session was over, I would listen to the interview and prepare my notes for the next interview. It took a while to develop an understanding of the material, but once I did I was able to take Al deeper into his material than I think anyone ever did.

I was amazed at the ease that Al spoke about Aliens, Time Travel, Mind Control and other bizarre topics. He had such confidence in his statements. When he spoke about these subjects, he would would look at you in a manner that was almost intimidating. To him, his words were the gospel and there was no room for error. I told my friends that he had the demeanor of a three star general.

If you listen to Larry's interviews carefully, you will find that he differed with Al quite a bit on Al's time travel experiences at Montauk.

So after 24 hours of interviews and no concrete evidence, I decided to publish the CD. I had quite a lot of time and money in the project and needed to get something back.

After spending some time with the man, I had a mental inventory of many of his answers. Many times when I would ask a question, I would get the same exact response to a different question. It was like he had an inventory of programmed answers and his mind would pick the closest response to give as an answer. What was strange was that his similar responses were almost identical word-for-word even though they were given to me weeks apart. I finally started to question Al's information when he told me privately that the Holocaust never happened. This was the first time I strongly argued against him. I could buy a lot of things he said to me in the interviews, but the Holocaust not happening - no.

Where the relationship broke down
Al was forced to move out of his house in Atlanta a couple of months after we were done with the project. I was paying him royalties for the CD sales when I met him every other week. When he moved to Florida, we handled all of our correspondence through the phone and mail.

Al moved to Florida with the help of a woman named Dee. Dee found an apartment for Al and the two spent a great deal of time together. Another person - Michael Relfe www.2012.com.au/mars.html helped fund Al's move.

Not more than a month into Al's move, I noticed his demeanor toward me radically changed. He became convinced that I was not paying him his fair share of the CD sales. Then Michael Relfe, owner of the domain www.albielek.com switched the domain to a website that he built. This new website asked people to send the money for the CD directly to Al Bielek in Florida.

I made several phone calls to Al asking him why he did this. I tried to explain that I never cut him out of any money and in fact gave him more money than our agreement. Nothing I said changed his mind. Al would always ask for a few more days to think about his actions. When I called him a few days later, he would ask for a few more.

I tried to contact Michael Relfe directly and ask him why he repointed the domain name. Michael would never speak to me directly. He only responded via email. Again, Michael asked me to give Al a little time to "think about it".

Finally, I had Michael Relfe's website taken down because of copyright infringement. That's when all hell broke loose. Michael sent me vicious emails telling me he was going to report me to the FBI for restraint of trade and on and on. Hardly the demeanor he displays on his own sites (love and compassion).

I applied for the domain name www.bielek.com and posted all of the content there.

Since then, Al and I have only briefly spoken to each other. It's unfortunate.

Hidden files on the CD
If you read the content on some websites, they will say I put "hidden files" on the CD.

educate-yourself.org/ab/productsfromalbielek15jul03.shtml

This all came about when a friend of Larry James told Larry that there were files on the CD that send all of your personal information to the NSA. Honestly, I am not smart enough to figure out how to put a program like that together - and no - there are no hidden files on the CD.

When these accusations came out, I spoke to Larry. I asked him to show me the hidden files and how they worked. I even told him that if he could prove to me there were hidden files sending user information out, I would pull the CD from the market.

Never heard from Larry again.

I also emailed Ken Adachi (Owner of Educate-Yourself.org) and asked him to remove his comments about these hidden files. I also explained what happened between Al and myself and asked if he could present my side of the story on his site.

Ken said he would talk to Al - and then I never heard from Ken again. You can see that his comments are still there. I don't understand these people who profess to be seekers of the truth. I think they are more interested in upholding their paradigm instead of learning about the truth.

My attempts to mend the relationship
In the summer of 2003 Al suffered from a stroke. I did call his hospital and told him I wished him a speedy recovery. He seemed to appreciate my phone call and I thought we were on the road to rebuilding our relationship.

During this time, the website www.bielek-debunked.com was launched. I read through ever page of the site. I found the material that the authors presented in their site quite convincing. Their basic premise is Al is making up the story.

Since I was on the road to rebuilding my relationship with Al, I thought I would ask him to do some more interviews with me. I wanted to give him an opportunity to defend himself. I believed if I gave him a forum to respond to the accusations on bielek-debunked.com, he would emerge stronger and more believable.

Then I never heard from Al Bielek again.

Michael Relfe's statement

Thank You for your excellent website. I have never had the opportunity to write to a professional debunker. I have always dealt mostly with activists.

To have a legitimate debunking website (rather than a gossip tabloid) requires accurate information. You have two main problems.

1. When dealing with ANY black project (compartmentalized, need to know) you are dealing with mind control IE. selective memory blocking. For someone like Al Bielek who has been subject to such procedures AND who has ZERO money for therapy to overcome those blocks, getting consistent data over the long term (14 years) becomes a problem. In addition, Al Bielek has no family or support network. He has no way to know when he has been taken by the military and his memories have been altered.

2. Problem 2 is dealing with Michael Houtzager. Here is the real story. Michael Houtzager made an agreement (CONTRACT) with Al Bielek to create the Philadelphia Experiment CD. A single CD. The agreement was for Michael Houtzager to get 1/3 of the profits, Al Bielek to get 1/3 of the profits and that 1/3 of the profits WOULD PAY FOR DEVELOPMENT. Get that again. This was a work FOR HIRE. Houtzager was to get 2/3 of the profits. THE PRODUCT WAS OWNED BY AL BIELEK.

After completion Houtzager began selling the CD's. Al would get them at a discount from Houtzager and sell them as best as he could. He had no website or professional marketing. This is a man that has been kept in poverty because of the exposure he has made of various govt programs. He lives in a one room boarding house in Ft Myers, Florida.

Because Houtzager refused to show records and audit documents of CD production and sales, AL believed that he was not receiving his 33%. Since at least 1998 Al Bielek has been speaking on The Philadelphia experiment. He has been video taped, on radio and books have been written about him. In all that time he received NO compensation. ZERO. He never received laughter and condemnation. This was the first time he ever had a chance to get a few more dollars than his social security check.

Al Bielek owns the Philadelphia Experiment CD. His application is being processed at the copyright office at this time. As soon as it is approved Al will have his own website to sell his CD.

Please immediately correct the following -

"Another person - Michael Relfe www.2012.com.au/mars.html helped fund Al's move."

The correct website is www.TheMarsRecords.com

I never funded Al's move.

"I tried to contact Michael Relfe directly and ask him why he repointed the domain name."

Michael Houtzager attempted to get me to register the domain in HIS name, because he was doing the website for the CD and was taking care of everything. I refused. I pointed it to Houtzagers website and after Al's problems with Houtzager I pointed it to a 1 page site giving Al's PO Box for future orders. This is the site big bad Houtzager had removed. That will be corrected when the copyright comes through.

"Michael sent me vicious emails telling me he was going to report me to the FBI for restraint of trade and on and on".

Emails are not vicious if they are truthful. The clueless Houtzager knows nothing. I don't report people to anyone.
[Note: Relfe is lying here, see remarks at the end of this part]

I never make empty threats.

"GS: Looks like Bielek found in Relfe somebody, who tries to milk the cow as long as possible. This includes attacks on Bielek's former promoter, Michael Houtzager".

I can't be accused of "milking the cow" since I NEVER SOLD ANYTHING. As a person with over 20 years in the IT business, I only provided help as it related to computers, web, CD, etc.

"...so that Bielek and Relfe then could sell even more and make more money without sharing royalties with Houtzager anymore".

You now know the truth. Your unjustified accusations against myself made without evidence or even contacting me for my side of the story show the true character of you so called website. It is urine yellow journalism at its finest.

The givaway is your attack on Ken Adachi. I know Ken Adachi personally. I feel fortunate to have met him after publishing The Mars Records. He is a true freedom fighter, one of the few who do it to help others and not for money gain. It is said that the greatness of a man can be measured by the greatness of his enemies. Ken Adachi has some BIG guns that would like to silence him. Your attacks on Ken aren't even a dust speck on a gnat's ass.

Please feel free to keep the insults against me on your website. All Americans that read your comments will be able to see through you. In fact why don't you download The Mars Records Books I, II and III free from www.TheMarsRecords.com and see if you can debunk my story. Thats right. Over 600 pages describing what the US military is really doing on Mars. Free. (Hey, I am just trying to keep milking that cow...) The Mars Records is a story that the intel spooks wish would go away. It picks up where the Philadelphia Experiment ends and describes how one mans life was stolen by the military industrial complex and how he was used as a Tactical Remote Viewer for the Mars Defense Force. Verified by over 150 hours on a "truth detector", this true story is too hot for the UFO conventions, Art Bell, Jeff Rense or any of the other controlled media. They won't touch it. This should give you and whoever pays you a new hobby.

Michael Relfe
www.TheMarsRecords.com
www.Metatech.Org
You can write Al at -

Al Bielek
P.O. Box 50045
Ft Myers, FL 33994

Note: Afred Bielek past away in October 2011. RIP.


Remarks

Relfe not only sent that message to us, but sent it to http://www.rumormillnews.com, including my private address, were it immediately was posted. Now, Mr. Relfe, what about your statement that "I don't report people to anyone." ?? First thing that he did, WAS reporting this to a public news group !
Relfe obviously read what we posted about Bielek, but - as we saw it happen with Ken Adachi - didn't fully understand what bielek-debunked.com is about. His message as posted above was put online at the "The Rumor Mills" web site together with a preface stating this:

Attention All Freedom Fighters. The exposure of the Philadelphia
Experiment and the resulting technology advancements (hyperspace
transportation)were a blow to the NWO. Someone has decided that
the Philadelphia Experiment must be discredited. A german
"researcher" name Schelm has decided to take it upon himself
to be the debunker and to attack Al Bielek and his testimony.

The following is my letter to Mr. Schelm.

Please write him and let him know what you think.

His website is www.bielek-debunked.com

Like Adachi and some others did before, he accused our team of investigators standing behind bielek-debunked.com that we had decided "that the Philadelphia Experiment must be discredited", which - have to repeat myself here - is pure nonsense. Nowhere on bielek-debunked.com you will find us stating that the Philadelphia Experiment is fiction and never happened. But we made clear, that Al Bielek's version of the Philadelphia Experiment and his personal involvement is nothing than a big lie.

And because Michael Relfe was posting my mail address at "The Rumor Mills", I have added his personal data to this web page as well. You' find his address at the bottom of this page. Please feel free to contact him as well and tell him what you think.

Beside those unjustified accusations, there are some claims within Relfe's statement that have to be commented on. Not only are some of Relfe's claims totally untrue, but they are based on his personal point of view and are supporting his ideas only.

In detail, Relfe stated:

"Thank You for your excellent website. I have never had the opportunity to write to a professional debunker. I have always dealt mostly with activists."

I'd like to point out here, that I am all but a professional debunker. This is not my profession but my hobby. You can read more details about me and my personal background in the 'Statements' section of this web site.

And some comments by Fred Houpt on this:

FH: That's too funny. Now I'm a professional debunker! Heh, where is the money flowing in the mail? Listen, he's reaching as far as he can into his bag and so far all we see is sour grapes being thrown at simple people who have connected pieces together of a puzzle. What supporters of Bielek really hate is that the evidence uncovered by our investigation, and not our opinions (please read that again), our "facts" have shone a merciless but clear light on a story teller who has had his days of fun in the limelight. But, in the interest of furthering serious PX research, Bielek has buried himself, really, with a very long but largely made up fairy tale. The best part of our research to date, with more coming in all the time, is that the PX can be explained with ever greater clarity without any of the hokum that Bielek tainted the work with. If that just puts his strongest supporters jaws out of whack, then that's too bad. The truth is what it is and I grow more impatient with people coming forward with more salacious stories but no hard facts that take any of the gleam off of our work. I know that I speak for Gerold in that we both welcome all critics to find something that we have stated that is not factual or is wrong in some concrete way. Healthy criticism is helpful in making a good report even better. I am tired of people who need me to rely on remote viewing of Mars (I'll stick to NASA's great recent pics, thanks), or who wish me to "believe" that Bielek was mind washed. He might have been, but we have no intrinsic and here is the big word for me, "verifiable" proof that he was. So, while I can imagine him having been done harm and feel sad if it's true, I don't "believe" it. Why should I believe that and not all of his other unfounded claims? I prefer the road that Barnes started and that we have followed. Look at the hard facts, chase after the scientists, see what they were doing, put the pieces together. Our work is more reliable than hundreds of hours of listening to Bielek go on and on about fluff. Really!

"To have a legitimate debunking website (rather than a gossip tabloid) requires accurate information."

The information about Al Bielek presented on this web site is the result of a 5 year investigation conducted by an international team of investigators. With only few exceptions, all sources are pointed out for anybody to verify the data. Concerning the page showing Houtzager's statement and our comments, we had no reason to not believe what Houtzager presented here. Finally, compared to your version of what happened, it's a break even - your word against Houtzager's.

"1. When dealing with ANY black project (compartmentalized, need to know) you are dealing with mind control IE. selective memory blocking. For someone like Al Bielek who has been subject to such procedures AND who has ZERO money for therapy to overcome those blocks, getting consistent data over the long term (14 years) becomes a problem. In addition, Al Bielek has no family or support network. He has no way to know when he has been taken by the military and his memories have been altered."

As a person with a military background, I am pretty familiar with the 'need-to-know' principle. Relfe's claim, that covered (black) projects are always protected by applying Mind Control techniques and memory blocking implies that those technologies are available. You can find out even on this web site that the Montauk Project as the allegedly key project of Mind Control techniques is a hoax like Bielek's version of his involvement in the Philadelphia Experiment. See the page "LARRY JAMES and other MONTAUK 'WITNESSES'" for details. But because Relfe is referring to Bielek's memory being blocked, he shows, that he accepted Bielek's claims as truth for himself, which ruins Relfe's credibility in this very moment.

Concerning Al Bielek, who according to Relfe's statement "has been subject to such procedures AND who has ZERO money for therapy to overcome those blocks, getting consistent data over the long term (14 years) becomes a problem". Well, if Al Bielek really had a problem overcoming those memory blockings, why is it that he told a very detailed version of his involvement in the Philadelphia Experiment already in 1990 ? Have a look at Bielek's MUFON speech and you know what I mean. And Al Bielek "has no way to know when he has been taken by the military and his memories have been altered" ? Beg you pardon, Mr. Relfe, but by writing this you just disqualified yourself as somebody who is familiar with Al Bielek's story.

Here is a quotation of Bielek's interview conducted by Susanne Konicov for CONNECTING LINK:

"I remained with the Navy and married in late 1943. A son, Jess, was bom in February 1944. In July 1944, the family and I were transferred to Los Alamos, New Mexico, where I remained until July 2, 1947. At that time I was forcibly removed and separated from my family-never to see them again."

"With charges of espionage placed against me, I expected a General Court Marshal. Instead I was transferred to Washington, D. C., whereupon charges were dropped and I was transferred to Montauk, L.I. military base (Fort Hero). From that point I was time shifted to 1983, back in the Phoenix Project. Once there, I was given a super brainwashing-all memory was removed. Additionally, I was age regressed (reduction of physical age and size from a 30-year old to approximately I year of age) and then, at a physical age of I year, sent back in time to 1927 to be plugged into a new family as a substitute for a dead son. This new family- the Bieleks- became my only known parents for over half a century!

Despite the fact, that this all happened only in Bielek's fantasy, Relfe as a strong advocate of Bielek should have known this.

And by comparing Houtzager's statement with that of Relfe, another interesting detail becomes visible:
Relfe wrote: "For someone like Al Bielek who has been subject to such procedures AND who has ZERO money for therapy to overcome those blocks, getting consistent data over the long term (14 years) becomes a problem."

While working with Bielek ("Al agreed to do the interviews and we both agreed to share the revenue from whatever we produced. This began a 3 month process of meeting with Al around 3 times a week to conduct a series of interviews."), Houtzager got used to Bielek's claims ("It took a while to develop an understanding of the material, but once I did I was able to take Al deeper into his material than I think anyone ever did.") and noticed this:

"I was amazed at the ease that Al spoke about Aliens, Time Travel, Mind Control and other bizarre topics. He had such confidence in his statements. When he spoke about these subjects, he would would look at you in a manner that was almost intimidating. To him, his words were the gospel and there was no room for error. I told my friends that he had the demeanor of a three star general."

and

"If you listen to Larry's interviews carefully, you will find that he differed with Al quite a bit on Al's time travel experiences at Montauk."

and finally

"After spending some time with the man, I had a mental inventory of many of his answers. Many times when I would ask a question, I would get the same exact response to a different question. It was like he had an inventory of programmed answers and his mind would pick the closest response to give as an answer. What was strange was that his similar responses were almost identical word-for-word even though they were given to me weeks apart. I finally started to question Al's information when he told me privately that the Holocaust never happened."

It becomes more and more obvious, that Bielek memorized the basic data of his fictitious story and could produce the details right away as the questions of interviewers (not only Houtzager) came up. This is another, very strong indication that Bielek together with Nichols, Swerdlow, Cameron and others made up the whole story.

That much had to be said about Relfe's statement. We didn't ask Relfe for a statement, he sent it to us own his own. To complete this survey about Michael Relfe, I now will show you some more background information about him and his wife Stephanie. And because Relfe mentioned Ken Adachi and only found positive words for him, I will show some contrary details about Ken Adachi at the end of this page, too.

Part II: Al Bielek's Advocates - E-commerce and ignorance


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